Mindset Q&A with Dean Leak
Well, well, well. Hello, everyone. Oh, no, Steam leak. Oh my god. Hello.
Speaker 1:Out. How are you doing? Know. Bloody hell. That was flashback to the past.
Speaker 2:Flashback. Yeah. In a bad way. Oh,
Speaker 1:yeah. We'll see now. What are the next I'm I'm not sure there'll be many people joining tonight versus last week. Maybe they've had enough already. But
Speaker 2:So Catherine's in the room. Nice to see Catherine.
Speaker 1:Catherine's here, of course. Linda, Christine, Ben, Esme.
Speaker 3:Turtles reunited.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Different animals, same animals, who knows? Oh, we know Dean's an animal. Perfect. Perfectly in tune.
Speaker 1:Are you doing? Alright, good?
Speaker 2:Doing alright, thank you. Doing alright. Yeah. Life is good. Getting ready for the old wind down for Christmas.
Speaker 2:Kids have got colds. They're not sleeping. It's all good. Life is good.
Speaker 1:Don't know if it's me. Is it me is my signal does my signal suck? Yeah?
Speaker 2:I think so.
Speaker 1:Is it me? Yeah. Yeah. Is. Let's have a look.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna change to Wi Fi. But in the meantime, I think as people join in, anyone who's joining here, me know in the chat if you're a turtle or parrot, first of all, just give us a little reference in there. And then Dean could know if you are from the past or you are the future. And then Dean will do a bit of an introduction for himself. And we've worked with Dean.
Speaker 1:Well, I've worked with Dean for, yeah, come to six years probably. January 2019, I think was the I wrote in my journal that I met him and one of those terrible days, but I do remember writing it. So, yeah, he's been around for a while. He's helped a lot of people in this kind of field, you know, like behavior change, values, and people have found him very, very good for helping. So please utilize his time.
Speaker 1:If you wanna come on the mic, please do and have a chat. If you wanna chat about, like, concerns you have, maybe stories you tell yourself about why you can't maybe be someone who's strong and fit and healthy or whatever it is. But we can start with kind of like going through Kath, go to Kath and Dean you can chat. As you know, Scott and Dean might remember Turtle, of course, of course, guys. So Dean, give us some intro on, mate.
Speaker 1:What are you up to these days? Where have you come from?
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, it's good to be back. Good to see you. Good to see all of you. Mean, we spoke earlier, didn't we, briefly in terms of what you wanted to get out of tonight. It's very much working the sort of, am I still there?
Speaker 2:I've been, am I still there? Am I still here? Yeah. Okay.
Speaker 1:Still here, yeah.
Speaker 2:Cool. Like work with these with it's a bit of feeling like a conversation. They want it to feel like I'm the expert and I'm gonna solve all the problems in the world. Know, let's of help each other. I think everybody's got lots of lots of wisdom and experience to add.
Speaker 2:So I'm happy to share my lens on things. Oftentimes we'll be wrong, but I'd like to just share some nuggets that I have. And I guess I've, what I've been up to. So, I mean, those of you that don't know, I spent the best part of fifteen years working with Olympic, Paralympic, kind of high performance sport Olympic athletes. So worked with individuals on their mindsets, developing mental skills, how do you deal with your emotions and feelings pressure when you're in that kind of performance arena?
Speaker 2:How do you get the best at yourself? And how do you go and deliver performance? And then kind of accidentally stumbled into leadership roles where I had a team of coaches, sport scientists, scouts. And my job was how do we try and create a system where we develop and produce more athletes to go and win medals for Great Britain? So along the way, learned a lot about how do you create really good learning environments?
Speaker 2:How do you lead effectively, how do you build optimal cultures. So that was very much a dummy's guide to how not to lead and how to make lots of mistakes, which has helped serve me develop skills that I now apply into all sorts of different contexts. So as Scott said, I first kind of took the step up in Olympic sport, spent a lot of time working in the kind of health and well-being and fitness space, helping people with their mindset and how do you bring out the best version of yourself? How do you live the life that you want? How do build habits?
Speaker 2:All those things. And I spend most of my time still working with individuals, mostly in context. So I spend a lot of my time working with leaders, executives and teams in the corporate space. So I've spent time working with The UK Government, the British army, L'Oreal financial sector, sort of like footsie companies trying to figure out how do we solve problems more effectively to build really cool sort of environments where we deliver performance, but we do it in the right way. Right?
Speaker 2:You know, I really care about, it's about winning, but how do we win well? You know, how do we win without feeling like people are stressed and burnt out? How do we win by leading in a way where we need more curiosity, care, compassion, all those things? I don't know if that helps, Scott, but it's a little bit about me.
Speaker 1:No, it does. I know it does help a lot. Yeah. It was interesting you said L'Oreal out of all the companies, team.
Speaker 2:I know. I know. Clearly not had enough free products, have I?
Speaker 1:You gotta get going now. But, yeah, I know your background impressive. And, you know, what I like about the chats we used to have back in the day was, like, people were very vulnerable on the chats, Sardine. So it does work both ways. So if anyone here has got I mean, sharing your story in general is is it gonna be helpful tonight?
Speaker 1:So like whether you wanna share your journey so far with Turtle, with Parrot, where you wanna go in 2026 might be a good chat. How are you gonna Christmas and New Year. How you going to think about maybe more protecting muscle being strong as opposed to let's keep losing weight all the time? But first of all, Kath, I think it'd best to start with you. I'd love to have an update on what's happened with you since we last probably had one of these Q and A calls and maybe we can share from there.
Speaker 2:I'm just gonna eat my dinner as well, Scott, while we're all kind of talking.
Speaker 3:Hello. It's nice to see you all again.
Speaker 2:Hi, Catherine.
Speaker 3:I'm not sure we really do want an update on what's been going on with me, to be honest.
Speaker 2:Scott's clearly frozen, so we'll just we'll continue.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, he's frozen.
Speaker 2:How are doing Catherine, what's been going on?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm good. I'm really good now. Went through a bit of a bad patch, but I'm back on top again.
Speaker 2:Tell me more.
Speaker 3:Well, I don't know if you probably remember that I sort of struggled with my mental health on and off over the years. Just went through a bit of a bad period over the summer. And also had a car accident and had to take some time out of work. It was also quite a stressful time because my husband was going through an employment tribunal and then was out of work for several months and my mum went into full time care and so there was a lot going on. But anyway, how much better now and things are more kind of stable shall we say.
Speaker 2:That sounds like a lot.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2:Like a lot to be It comes at once.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's the thing, isn't it, with these things?
Speaker 2:Have you, having been through really traumatic scenarios, what have you learned about yourself?
Speaker 3:Some interesting things. I've learned that, especially since I get older, I have this annoying need to control things, which adds to my stress. I've been aware of it for a while, I think it kind of ramps up when things start to go a bit pear shaped and then it kind of adds to everything. I just need to realize that there are certain things that I can't control and just got to let them wash over me. Which is easy to say and I know that in practice.
Speaker 3:I mean I know that logically that that's what I need to do but in practice sometimes it's not easy to do it. Especially when you feel quite passionate about certain things, then sometimes it's hard to stand back and just let things be.
Speaker 2:Like I said, a lot of this is not necessarily binary, that having that need for control is a bad thing. Right? It's like we label it as a negative that clearly has inherent good because it shows that you're passionate and you care about something. Right? And so if you've got that front of mind, how are you using that?
Speaker 2:Are you working through that to sort of manage it or see the strength in it or use it in some way?
Speaker 3:I've started doing some ACT therapy.
Speaker 2:Oh, nice, my favourite.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I hadn't come across it before. I've done all sorts of other therapies, hadn't done that one before.
Speaker 2:I've acted as the model that I use. That's my thing.
Speaker 3:Okay. I didn't know that.
Speaker 2:ACT is my because it kind of You'll probably be familiar with a lot of stuff I talked about in terms of the things like you're not your thoughts, you're the observer of your thoughts,
Speaker 1:and like
Speaker 2:cognitive diffusion and separation. So that's really good. I really believe in that as a philosophy and a method because, know, the more that we get hooked on our internal world, you know, we end up dancing even more with those feelings that we've got and we don't live enough outside in the world and being who we want to be.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Yeah, totally agree.
Speaker 2:So you're finding it useful?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I've only just started it. But yeah, even just the early sessions have been really, really good.
Speaker 2:Right. That's really good to hear. Okay. Anything else that you've found that, I don't know, that's taught you about yourself that shows some strength that you might have? Through those experiences?
Speaker 3:Well, obviously, even though I often, well, not often, but I seem to go through these extreme ups and downs. The fact is that I always come out the other end, so that's a strength.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2:It's so easy to jump straight to sort of the negatives, isn't it, of the experience? And this is what I've taught about myself, fact that I'm really controlling and that's really normal, right? But when we search, there's huge amount of experience and strength that come from these experiences that's important to reflect on that as well.
Speaker 3:There's positives and negatives of all these things, like being controlling can be good. It means that I'm super organised with a lot of things, but with other things it just means that I sort of worry unnecessarily about things which I can't control. And I think that's, I've learned that that comes from my childhood probably, and not having any control over my environment then.
Speaker 2:One frame that I use, to be honest, when I work in any context, particularly when I work with leaders, because a prevailing kind of narrative in leadership is that you're a certain leadership style, which is quite flawed because it kind of boxes us into we're even this way. But actually, I'll talk about like really, what we're working with is we we have preferences that are either overplayed or underplayed. So I I don't look at things like weaknesses or, you know, controlling being a bad thing. I see that it's either something that we overplay or underplay. So how do we dial it up and dial it down based on certain context?
Speaker 1:Yeah. Makes sense.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Just looked at ACTs, very similar to stoicisms look on cognitive distance and only focusing what you can control and the action you can do next basically. Yes.
Speaker 3:Yes, it is actually. I haven't really thought about that similarity.
Speaker 2:So it makes a very clear distinction from cognitive behavioural therapy. I bet you've probably come across that quite early on.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's what I had come across a lot before.
Speaker 2:So cognitive behavioural therapy is about how you change-
Speaker 3:Reframe your thoughts almost, isn't it?
Speaker 2:Reframe your thoughts, how you change your belief system and act as saying that the brain is wired in such a way that it's always going to tell stories and it's always going to have a bias for negativity. So there isn't such a thing as being able to like control your thoughts or get rid of your thoughts or even to some extent, like in the moment of like stress, like reframe your thoughts because the brain's just so wired to see danger and protect you. So this is rather than spend time trying to change your thoughts. What you're doing is you're spending time just noticing it and letting it go. Notice, let it go and just be more in the moment and choose how you wanna respond.
Speaker 2:The old Viktor Frankl, you know, how do you create space between stimulus and response?
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, stoicism-
Speaker 1:It's all very similar stuff for now. Very similar stuff. I think you have to pick what works for you, which way is explained in it. I think stoicism is like second order, you can't control most of your impressions, what they call it, most of your like initial thoughts or feelings, but you can try and have some common response to it. But I think that's the main thing when it comes to, eating or not working out or whatever, like you have a feeling like I'm tired, I can't do it and then actually you think about it again, you think well am I tired?
Speaker 1:Really? And you can probably win that battle, I don't know.
Speaker 3:I did that today. Was supposed to do a workout today and I've had quite a nice, well I've had like a really busy two days up until today. And today I had quite a relaxing day and I had acupuncture and stuff and the thought of going home and then doing a workout. Was like, oh, this is going to like ruin the relaxing sort of vibe. And maybe I just won't bother doing it today.
Speaker 3:But then I thought, it's only a short workout, the lean shield thing gives you the full body workout in twenty minutes. So I thought, well, surely I can do twenty minutes. There's really no excuse not to do twenty minutes, is there? So I just did it, then I felt better for doing it.
Speaker 1:Bang on. Well, this is interesting about like behavior where like, you know, the scientist BJ Fogg was to say, he's habit expert. I don't know if you remember when we did the habit boot camp, he's talking about like you know, willpower, willing yourself to do something often doesn't really work. But if the thing to do is very easy, even if your will or your kind of like motivation is low, the chances are you might just do it anyway. So it's about these micro actions, these micro behaviors and what's the minimal viable dose.
Speaker 1:And I think everyone take on board is like, can I just do ten minutes or fifteen minutes? Most of us can always do that, or most of the time can, but can you do sixty minutes? The question, that changes everything. Can I do sixty minute workout? Probably not.
Speaker 1:Like the thought of warming up, doing the workout, finishing, it's like, can it be ninety minutes? The thought of a quick ten, fifteen minute workout here and there just brings some kind of peace to it all. And I think instead of fighting the fact that we are not David Gorgans, or we are not like some extreme dedicated athlete who does wake up at five and just loves it like a robot, I think it's important that we're like, you know what, I'm tired at the end of work day, it's 5PM, it's dark, lethargic, not going to be working out five, six times a week probably, but I'm willing to dedicate what's needed at this point. And I think there's nothing wrong with that and we would be far better off doing something like that. But it's a question of I think
Speaker 2:when you I think when you went on that, Scott, I think that's such a good point in that perhaps most of us to some extent, like live by our own kind of outdated expectations. But because because I I have to work really hard at this in the context that yeah. My ideal idea of going to the gym is like sixty minutes and it's like in the gym and it's those comforts that you've always been familiar with where you're like loving rates around. So if I can't do an hour, then it's so easy for me to go while I'm still gonna go. Yeah.
Speaker 2:So I've had to, like, really lower the lower the ceiling and just go actually because I know logically, even if I do a fifteen minute workout wherever, like it's going to have an inordinate effect on my energy. So logically, I know that. So it's just about, I guess the key thing is proving to yourself through repetition that doing the fifteen minute workouts actually has that benefit over a longer period of time.
Speaker 1:100%. And it will. And I think when eventually the research will be done on like micro based workouts or just enough stimulus, people might change. Yeah, we're still bogged down in the old school beliefs. But that's what it comes to and I don't know what you think about this team, like all of this type of fun therapy and like you can't change your thoughts, you change the story you tell yourself, what about your core beliefs from childhood, like Cathy mentioned from childhood causing maybe decision making you haven't even done today.
Speaker 1:Robert Sapolsky in his latest book says he's one of the top neuroscientists in the world by the way, he doesn't believe we got any free will at all, which is scary as hell. But you know, like you know, everything we do is kind of like determined in a sense by a lot of factors and the environment. So where does it leave us really? And I think that's the important part, if you could take the advice online it is like you must become this perfect person who is cooking all these amazing recipes you see on TikTok, doing all these workouts and these gym clothes, you've got to be this kind of perfect self. Most of us watching it behind the scenes, and even those people who do those videos in a year's time, they come out and say, you know, a year ago when I was posting those videos, was in the worst state of my life.
Speaker 1:You see it so often now because it's the narrative that wins them more views basically. But they eventually admit that that part of their life was the worst. So we live in this delusion basically that we can all just will a change into life and just hardcore it in. Don't know. It's a hard one to wrap your head around.
Speaker 3:It's weird because I find it easier to will myself into doing something like a workout than I do to will myself not to do something, as in don't eat that cake'. I find that harder than forcing myself to do a workout, if that makes sense. Don't know what it is.
Speaker 1:Well often, mean Dean maybe zoom over the emotions of this like, but we're craving some kind of if we're bored, we'll eat. If we're sad, we'll eat. If we're anxious, we'll eat. If we need to go and get through, it's like a work task. We just kind of wanna eat the way through it because it makes us feel a bit better.
Speaker 1:There's a lot of eating involved in trying to make us feel better for about two minutes. And I think once you realize it doesn't actually help at all. But at the same time, like, I what I've realized as well is our levels of craving will will will vary. Some people's craving for foods must be extreme, you know, like insane. And some people's cravings are way less.
Speaker 1:Like, I'm lucky. I had a drink of alcohol, and I'm and I don't need it. You know, my friend Mahi Houdin's mentioned, he's a bit crazy. He had a drip of a, he had a drink of alcohol when he was 16 and it really, he's addicted. Do you know what mean?
Speaker 1:Like that's his brain though versus me. So we have to accept as a variant in like the pull of foods and stuff. It's a hard one. Being honest.
Speaker 2:There's a book that I really like of you, just fascinated by the psychology of some of this. It's up there and it's called how emotions are made by Lisa Barrett Feldman. So she's a neuroscientist. And she talks about that this is like a gross oversimplification, but the conventional wisdom is that we react to situations and the way that we react. So for instance, that we, I don't know, wake up in the morning and we said to ourselves that we're gonna go to the gym.
Speaker 2:The old theory would say that we react based on like how we feel. So I don't feel like it. And when we listen to that, we then go with what feels easy and we're more likely to go back to bed, right? And, but she talks about how, she talks about the theory of constructive emotion, which is basically that the brain is actually a prediction making machine based on past experiences. So there's nothing, it's actually not related to this kind of nature in any way.
Speaker 2:It's saying that you will just behave like you have based on past experience, which sounds really simple, but it's actually really quite impactful and quite, I think, quite insightful because if we behave based on past experiences, that means that we can change future situations by how we behave and what experiences we create. So like in that context, if we wake up and we feel a certain way and we end up going back to bed, well, the more that you commit, and I think there's a difference, isn't there, between willpower and commitment, but you commit enough times and create enough experiences of getting out of bed and going to the gym and doing enough times to build the habit, then that starts to build the prediction in that context that you won't even have to think about getting out of bed. It would just become a habit and a routine.
Speaker 1:It makes sense. It makes sense where I think Krishna Modi talks about this as well. He says like, you know, if you want to be good at walking, walk. If you know you're running, running, like this reinforcement of whatever you're doing is what you need to do. If you're be gonna a good writer, you gotta write.
Speaker 1:And if you wanna be a complainer, complain. If you wanna be someone who's always negative, keep being negative. Like, it's just obviously is a positive loop. And it's the same with this guy. I went to this guy who's it's a business event.
Speaker 1:His name is Perry Marshall. He's like a mathematics genius basically. And he was talking about the Pareto principle. And it's where I came across it a long time ago. And he he cracked the Pareto principle, but he talked about how it's it's even more powerful.
Speaker 1:And it's like it works on a a reinforcement loop because he said, look, five he said something like five or six percent of the population purchase about 70 to 80% of the alcohol. And he's like, how is that possible? He's like, it's the reinforcement loop of these people. They will drink one, they'll drink two, three, four, five. They just keep positive food bug like they need it, need it, need it.
Speaker 1:And it's just so powerful that that tiny group outweighs everyone else in terms of purchasing alcohol. But he says it works on the personal level as well. And you've got figure out.
Speaker 2:How much do you think, Scott, and by the way, I pride myself to jump in for somebody to come in next and ask a question or share an insight, How much do you think that someone's motivation to do something is relational to a really strong goal that they've got?
Speaker 1:Oh, strong goal. I think it's often seen people need some kind of goal or challenge to do something. Once the goal or challenge is over, they stop. That's very common from turtle challenges, very common from people who run for London Marathon and stuff like that. So I think people do get some form of jump in motivation when they can see something tangible at this date and I got to do that.
Speaker 1:But if you were to remove that and just look at daily living as a goal of like, I know Linda, Linda can speak, know one of Linda's goals is to be, you know, a healthy fit and therefore her grandchildren and to be able to do things with them. That goal is far more powerful than, you know, Dean getting ready for Ibiza, you know, Ocean Beach and Ibiza, getting his abs out. So, like, very temporary goal. But does it push you over there? I don't know.
Speaker 1:I've realized as well since doing jujitsu by the way, the community element of stuff is huge. So whilst when we were doing turtle and we realized the community was so powerful, obviously we were on the outside of the community in a sense that we weren't the community members. But then since going to jujitsu, the amount of times I've turned up just because I know I'm gonna have a good chat and I'm gonna have some enjoyment from it is big. The like goal Completely. Yeah, so like I don't know if that's the goal necessarily but I feel connected to the community.
Speaker 3:Yeah, connection is massive.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so then that has driven a lot of my actual behaviors I would say. It's hard, ain't it?
Speaker 2:Like Well, I mean, it's that famous quote, isn't it? That you are the people that you spend your time with. So so, like, you kind of mirror yourself from the people you spend your time with. So whatever that might be intellectually or, you know, fitness community wise. But we it was always interesting, wasn't it?
Speaker 2:Because like you say, we were part of it, but also kind of observing. But there's no surprise that people achieved incredible things because of this sense of accountability, because human beings fundamentally are based on survival in groups. So we wanna look good and avoid looking bad. So, like, if you've got, like, loads of people that are on the same journey as you're keeping yourself accountable, but you don't let anybody else down, like, there is that real pull.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So I think it's I think it's critical. Yeah. That having that having that team around you.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Being part of something as well. If you think if you if you think of anything that's been created in this world, if you think of, like, my favorite example is always Steve Jobs and Apple. You know, if you think of the original team and then the team that created the Macintosh and the team that created the iPhone and you look at these companies, same as PayPal and the small team that was involved in creating PayPal, and it's always nearly a small team of real people, people believing in doing something bigger than themselves for one. And I feel part of Turtle was the accountability, but I feel like people maybe felt they were part of like a movement that was healthier and more aligned with who they were and they wanted to be part of that because I thought other movements online, I don't know man, I've seen them, they don't seem to be too healthy in a sense, it's always about how you look and all that.
Speaker 1:And I remember always saying every turtle event we had, no one said oh my god look how X NEXT looks, even if people made big changes it was never a huge part of the conversation, it was never like oh my god look how many people have lost so much weight, it was like second order effect a sense. That was like, yeah, that's cool, man. But like, I can't wait to have a chat with people who I've been on the same journey with. So yeah.
Speaker 2:It did make me chuckle actually when I saw this parrot power post he sent on LinkedIn. It's almost like made me question now whether like turtle was actually the meaning behind turtle was rather than like one day at a time, it was about turtlenecks because I I loved your little turtleneck that you had on looking like looking like Steve Jobs. So I didn't
Speaker 1:think of a turtleneck. I haven't thought about the adoption of turtleneck into the parrot. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know.
Speaker 1:Don't know what this
Speaker 2:is. Sell sell some sell some good.
Speaker 1:I don't know what the symbolism all about, to be honest. I think it's just I have to go find some parrots now. Yeah, no, no, community is important. Even people listening to the Zoom, like even if you're not talking and you haven't done Zooms before or you're nervous or whatever, like I promise, sometimes you get chatting and you can get a lot out of it. So if anyone here wants to add any comments or come on, like, you know, Linda, I don't know if you're there, Christine there.
Speaker 1:Esme, are you there? Do you know what mean? Anyone wanting to to come on and maybe share what would help them on their journey, whether it's like, of course, we know information alone is not enough tact. Like if that was the case, we should be fine. Information alone isn't enough.
Speaker 1:There's an interesting book called Failure of Nerve. I don't know if you've read it, Dean, you should read it. Book, it's about leadership, but it's really about, he talks about leadership, not in a sense of like logic and stuff, but in a sense of like the presence you have as a leader. And some people might just need a presence in their life that is very solid and very directionally strong for them. And they don't have to say much words, don't say we are going from A to B, it's more like, with this person's giving me the energy and the kind of boundaries that's given me the comfort to move to the next step.
Speaker 1:And sometimes we don't have that in our lives. Know, our friends are maybe in the same boat as us, really pushing forward to help. How many times have you seen there where someone in a friendship group does break out, becomes fit, healthier, just joined jujitsu, does join CrossFit or higher ox, all of a sudden people believe, wow, I could be like that. They then reach out and they join and then it says three people are doing it, four people are doing it, five people are doing it. It seems to be the case you know that's an action based not talking, know talking people can talk a lot.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I
Speaker 2:think you're and find, like if you're aspirational and you've got high ambition and you have an image or a vision of the person that you want to be, but you feel like the environment that you're in at the moment isn't necessarily serving you, then my advice would be like try and find ways to go and cultivate that community. Go and find where the people are hanging out and see if you can like spend time with them or learn of them or whatever it might be. But it's amazing.
Speaker 4:How's Pal?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:My god, how's Carrot Power?
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, you're on Android.
Speaker 4:I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:I'm what's it called being anti Android? We've got xenophobia because Dean hates whales, we've got racism. But I don't know what it's fun right now. But because I'm in there.
Speaker 2:Just checking in. Dave Jobs.
Speaker 1:I'm in there. Good god. He's even got me after death. Like, ah.
Speaker 2:Hey, look. Let's get somebody else on. Who wants to come and have a chat? And and don't feel like you just have to, like, ask a question or
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:Know, if you wanna share any insights or just the the thing you're curious about making yourself a chin work.
Speaker 1:Right. Let me just go through the list here. Esme, are you there or are you not there? If you can be there, let us know or no. No.
Speaker 1:Okay. Can I ask a question?
Speaker 4:Hi. Sorry. I am here. I'm just struggling with technology.
Speaker 1:No worries. Oh, yeah. Need to see how to unmute. Esmeen, listen to Kat. She's here now.
Speaker 1:The Matrix. Esmeen, how you doing?
Speaker 4:I'm good. I'm good. I've got my work in today, so I'm feeling smug with myself.
Speaker 1:You've smashing it. You've been smashing it. Anything that we've spoke about so far? Anything you thought, don't agree with that? Do agree maybe something else?
Speaker 4:No, not at all. I was just thinking what, for me personally, it does really help to feel like I'm part of a group or a community. And if I've got, you know, someone to talk to about things that are important to me, but perhaps, you know, somebody like my husband won't be so interested to hear or my daughters, then, you know, I feel like I've got that outlet to just talk about, you know, the whole Parrot Pal experience and starting to do regular workouts, things like that. So, for me, it's really important to have kind of a group, be a part of a group, be part of a community.
Speaker 1:A 100%.
Speaker 2:Led you to Esme, if you don't mind, sorry, go on Scott.
Speaker 1:Oh no, I was just gonna say about any experiences before, but Dean you do ask please.
Speaker 2:I was gonna say that nice to meet you Esme. Hi. What led you to Parapal? What piqued your interest in terms of wanting to go on that journey as it were?
Speaker 4:I just feel like all through my, I'm in my forties now and all through my thirties, I just feel like I've slowly, slowly kept putting on weight. And I've never been consistent with exercise. I've sort of gone through stages like I did used to, I live in The States now, but when I was in The UK, I did go to the gym regularly. And since I moved here, it all just went a bit downhill. And I just couldn't keep, I just couldn't keep myself regular with the exercise.
Speaker 4:And I had tried other apps like, oh, what's it called? My mind's gone blank. What's the I was trying another app just to log what I was eating, but I'd do it for a week, and then maybe say on a Sunday, I'd overeat, and then I'd be like, oh, I've messed it all up now. So then Monday, I'd just give up. And that was sort of the pattern.
Speaker 4:And then I, I just realized that unless I log what I'm eating, I have no self control. And then I discovered Parrot Pal. And it was just so easy that I don't know what I must be on week eight or nine now, and I've not missed a single day, and it's not even been that hard to do. And then when Scott said there's this lean shield that I want to sort of trial. I was like, okay, well, I'll give it a go.
Speaker 4:Because I wasn't, I wasn't exercising regularly. And I've been doing it for, don't know what, thirty six days now. And I don't know, it's just working for me. It's just, I don't know, I feel like a different person almost. Can't, I don't really recognize myself.
Speaker 4:I'm just managing to keep track of everything without feeling overwhelmed like I have in the past. And I don't know, it's just a combination of everything seems to be working for me. So I'm hoping I can sort of keep it up. I'm conscious that I don't need to be at 100 on LeanShield. I know I can drop a bit and it's still fine.
Speaker 2:That's really good to hear. That's awesome. What ripple effect does it have in other aspects of your life?
Speaker 4:I feel like my energy levels are up, So, I'm just getting more stuff done. Know, if something needs doing around the house, I'm less likely to go, I'll do that tomorrow. I'm just like, oh, just do it. Just do it, and then you'll feel better. And I have been sleeping slightly better.
Speaker 4:I think because I'm 45, I've definitely got a shift in hormones and it affects my sleep. And I do struggle with that, but I have been sleeping a little bit better. So that's great.
Speaker 2:That's amazing. Yeah. I think it just shows you sometimes, isn't it? They're like one little shift. And we often talk about like, you know, big, big transformational changes, but oftentimes it's the little things that make big differences and have compound effects, right, in other areas of our life.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it's just, you know, I've always struggled with the consistency, but I feel like I'm almost building it into a habit now. I'm not, you know, I don't feel completely confident in myself that I've turned it into a habit, but I definitely feel like I've integrated something into my lifestyle in a way that I haven't in the past, you know, ten years or so.
Speaker 2:Have you one thing to think about on that would be, because it sounds like you you're in that kind of like honeymoon period. And I think
Speaker 4:like Yeah, probably.
Speaker 2:We we know we all we all have that, right? You know, you're results, you're feeling good, you're feeling energised. And just I think like in any sort of period of change that you go on, it's inevitably gonna you're gonna face hurdles, you're gonna face barriers that you're gonna have to like overcome. So I'm just wondering whether you thought about what what might act as an objection or what might be a barrier that comes up that by having that in mind, you will know how you wanna respond. So you're kind of preempting what might get in the way and how you wanna respond to it.
Speaker 2:Like, let's say, I can give you like an example that always came up when we did this with large groups previously was relationship with alcohol and, you know, I'm really committed to, you know, not drinking but as soon as I go and spend time with my friends, like I just give in really easily because they'll goad me and I feel bad or feel like I'll be rejected by my friends. Yeah, that's a particular hurdle that was quite common.
Speaker 4:I mean, yeah. Could see what you mean.
Speaker 2:And it's not even one that you necessarily need to answer now, but it may be the useful exercise to say, you know what? It might be that based on previous experiences, I know that like this happened and it really derailed me.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I mean, I have actually thought about next year we're moving back to The UK. So there's gonna be a period of weeks when we're gonna ship all our stuff back and you know, I won't have my little home gym. And I'm like, what's gonna, you know, is that- is that what's going to derail me? But, you know, it's still- this is over six months away, so I'm not really worrying about it too much. But it has actually crossed my mind that, you know, there's going to be some big events next year that are going to make things tricky.
Speaker 4:But I don't know, I'll worry about it a bit further along.
Speaker 2:100%. 100%. And like these aren't things to worry about. It's more, you know, maybe in the sort of the day to day, if there's anything that comes up and I think you would right. Because in my head, I'll be like, right.
Speaker 2:Okay. So I know that I don't have my home gym. Like, how do I wanna make use of the situation that I do have? Because we both know that you actually don't need any weights. You know what mean?
Speaker 2:Like, you can still do a workout. Right? So then you start thinking, okay. Well, when my mind because it will very quickly latch on because you're in a constant
Speaker 3:the dog.
Speaker 4:Sorry. My dog.
Speaker 2:That's okay. I can't hear anything.
Speaker 1:So
Speaker 2:yeah, like having preemptive plans could be something to consider. Yeah. But certainly not six months out.
Speaker 4:Yeah. Yeah, for sure. I do sort of worry about things in advance. That is one of my problems.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Oh, this is less about worrying. It's more about then having the plan for when something might come up.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, the thing is, everyone here who is on anything, your momentum will come to an end at one point, even if you like, Esme's on a flying high momentum, and some of us might be on really down momentum right now, but that's gonna happen, like and I think when it comes to Christmas and stuff, I think maybe it might help with ESMO as well. You know, the mindset shift of even though I'm eating loads more calories now, at least I'm in a very protective stage for my muscle mass as long as I do a few of these body weight workouts. I'm gonna go through Christmas where my muscle is protected. Yes, more calories coming in, but more energy for the body to kind of bring it back to balance as well. You you've got to remember, if you're in a deficit for a long time, it is a stressful environment in the body.
Speaker 1:You go to maintenance for a week or two, your body's like, wow, I'm getting the energy I need. I'm getting the protein I need, I'm doing some basic workouts. You know, we know that some hormones normalize back to baseline after if you do a deficit for a while, you go to maintenance for a week, we can normalize it and bring it back balance. So we just got to reframe nearly everything as something that's beneficial, but it is actually beneficial. It's not a lie.
Speaker 1:Like if being in a maintenance was really bad for like drinking like 10 drinks of alcohol, we wouldn't be saying it. But it's actually very beneficial to be in maintenance for a while, especially over Christmas where you don't have to worry about And the thing is, when you look at that, I did a tool called the holiday weight gain tool. I can't remember if everyone here is familiar with it. But basically, I was like, where are going on holiday? What country?
Speaker 1:Are you going to eat loads? Are you going to be, you know, are you all inclusive, whatever, right? Let's look at the actual numbers, like how much fat can you realistically gain on your holiday length, you know? And when you look into the research on overfeeding studies, and you know, it's not as much as you think. Say now you gained two pounds of fat over Christmas, which would be an achievement, it would be quite hard to do, to gain two pounds of actual fat because a lot of the extra calories will go to building muscles or rebuilding the tissue.
Speaker 1:To gain two or three pounds of fat over Christmas, I mean, you'll
Speaker 5:be doing
Speaker 1:well, it'd be good. Fair play to you, will. Even if you did gain two or three pounds of fat, it's not like come on, it's like a few weeks back in a deficit like. What are we worried about is really the question. The trend over the years what matters.
Speaker 1:So yeah, this is why challenges are hard Dean, You know, we know challenges. People love a challenge. They need a challenge. They say they need we need a challenge. But what happens when the challenge is over?
Speaker 1:Momentum's gone. Who's gonna turn up? It is worth it for Christmas, Kat. Yeah.
Speaker 2:But that's that's where Catherine's piece about the start around act is really important. So, like, you asked questions, Scott, does it really matter? So the brain will say things like, well, it does really matter because I've just wasted everything that I've done over the last nine days. I've let myself down. I've done it again.
Speaker 2:And then we Because we're then basically listening to our thoughts. And as we're listening to our thoughts, it's then taken us down the same old kind of spiral that we've always done. Act is so important because it's saying, it's just thoughts. You don't have to listen to them. You can just let them go.
Speaker 2:And then you can choose how you want to respond in the moment. So it might be that you indulged over Christmas, and then your brain's going nuts because you feel like you've let yourself down. It's just going, Okay, well, what do I want to do right now? Well, we get back on it. Right?
Speaker 2:We get back into our routine and we choose how we want to respond rather than being led by those feelings. And we end up spiraling and going down the same kind of habit route.
Speaker 1:A 100%. Christine mentions a point to you about thyroid. I've also got thyroid issues since was 16. Imagine that. I in my teenage years sleeping all the time.
Speaker 1:Couldn't bloody get up, sleeping in school, sleeping at home, playing Xbox, chugging rugby, I was sleeping all the time. And I had an underactive thyroid or whatever, which one it was, thyroid wasn't working well. 21, yeah, it's tough. Think the thyroid side, so you're not on the medication, I don't know if you're on the medication, Christine, for thyroid to normalize it. If you are, the metabolic change should be gone, so you should be back to baseline of where you should be as a normal functioning person with thyroid.
Speaker 1:But it can make you lethargic, so steps are lower, fidgeting is lower, more sleepy. So that's another factor. So yeah, it's interesting how like thyroid, bar of chocolate put two pounds on. If you're on thyroid medication, it's not gonna it's not gonna be behaving that too too like that, but definitely lethargic is is one of those things being really low on activity. It's annoying.
Speaker 1:It's an annoying one. It's but if you're on medication, happy days. Let us know. Was that your question as well, Christine? Or is it related to thyroid?
Speaker 1:Is it is it what was it related to? Let me us know. In the chat or if you come on mic wherever. We shall be waiting. Austin thinks about things.
Speaker 1:We have the tools. I'll read our cast saying because this is going on a podcast tomorrow. We have the tools we can go back into devs and lose the extra but agree ACT is great to say this is how it is no judgment, no move forwards, be like scorching your own scientists for your own thoughts. Yeah, I think so much of this stuff is coming back to the same core conclusion. I think a lot of people are coming to their realizations.
Speaker 1:I don't know how open the mic. On the phone, you should see, I don't know who's on the mobile here. Bottom left microphone icon. Let me see if I can ask to unmute if it brings anything up for you. Esme, did you how did you find there?
Speaker 4:I'm on a laptop, but there's just a button that says audio, and you just click it.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4:The bottom left, but I'm not sure.
Speaker 1:On mobile, it should be same. So it should be same. Bottom left, mic, tap it. I think so. Zoom sucks.
Speaker 1:All our money over COVID they got. What have they done with it like? Honestly, looks exactly the same. Because he is saying I have to go privacy settings. I see.
Speaker 1:I see. So you you need to allow your mic. Are you on there you are. Yes. Yeah.
Speaker 1:We can't hear you yet. We're nearly there. Wait. Tech support. Tech IT.
Speaker 1:Privacy settings. Oh. I believe on on your iPhone. Are you on iPhone? Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah. Go to settings on iPhone. So you'll have to go off Zoom. Just like flick your screen off.
Speaker 1:Go to settings on iPhone. Alright. If you can still hear me. I don't know if you can actually. Can you still hear me if you go settings iPhone?
Speaker 1:Yeah. Search for Zoom at the top. So pull the screen down wait. No. On the bottom now.
Speaker 1:So yes. Search for Zoom. Find the Zoom app. Wait. Let me why is my camera?
Speaker 1:Look now. Is it screen? Zoom? You should have microphone. Tap microphone on.
Speaker 1:He's saying I have to go privacy. Don't worry. No, no, no, no. Christine, get on here. Next time.
Speaker 1:Well, if you can get it working. But type your question out if you don't mind so we can I can read it up? Privacy set in Zoom. Let me know Once we wait for that, Kat and Graham. What's Kat and Graham up to?
Speaker 1:Along with ACT, are you solution? Oh, there we are Captain Graham. Can we hear you? Ah yes, maybe you're wait wait.
Speaker 5:I
Speaker 1:can hear you.
Speaker 6:I've got my workouts sat on top of the laptop.
Speaker 1:Ah there we are, we can use you now. Is that Scottish accent?
Speaker 6:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Ah yes, the Celtics.
Speaker 6:I'm not too bad though, I'm from Inverness so it's not too strong an accent.
Speaker 1:That's quite good. I can understand. Yeah. We can understand you. How's it going, Anna?
Speaker 1:Thought it over the Dean, but I think Dean, we said you have, like, how how did you get into this LeanShield group? How have you ended up here?
Speaker 6:I joined Parrot Pal in March, and I I love it. I do. It's the podcast has have helped me stop smoking. Oh, I I'm saying the podcast. I think it has.
Speaker 6:I've lost about two stone ish.
Speaker 1:Wow. Yeah.
Speaker 6:Lost inches. And then LeanShield. So I was at the point when you first mentioned LeanShield, I was at the point that I knew that I needed to sort, like, resistance training and my sleep, basically. And I'd been putting off and putting off basically because, like, I'd never done it. And, oh, this is, like, the first weight loss thing I've really tried as well.
Speaker 6:Like, I've not my mom has been a yo yo dieter for years and years and years, but this is the first one that I've really sort of looked at. And yeah. So I signed up for the Better Child Food Lean Shield, and I really like it. I know I'm doing more than I need to, but it's because I'm enjoying it. But I know that, like, if I can't do a workout, I know that it's not a disaster.
Speaker 1:No. God. No. I suppose, like, when you're saying you're doing more than you need to, are you are you maxed out in the score? Are Yeah.
Speaker 1:Are you? See? Yeah. You're number you're number five today. Hey, Demon.
Speaker 1:We got a leaderboard. What about total points, Are you number two? Are you you, Sammy, and Captain Squat a Lot maxed out thousand points each.
Speaker 6:But I I think it helps that I'd already started. So by the time the challenge started, I'd already had my score up to hundreds. I think I originally started on, like, 58 or something. Yeah. Same.
Speaker 6:But because I enjoy it, I'm doing like a full body every two days.
Speaker 1:Amazing.
Speaker 6:It's like high, but it's I know that I don't need to, but I'd never done it before and I didn't realize how much I would actually like doing that.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Well, how long have you been doing the full bodies?
Speaker 6:Since the trial started.
Speaker 1:Oh god. So like
Speaker 6:It's like four or five weeks, isn't it?
Speaker 1:Yeah. How are you feeling?
Speaker 6:Oh, love it. I do.
Speaker 1:Do you feel strong? Like, you feel stronger? Like, you feel like Basically.
Speaker 6:Because it was the the night that we did that survey for the
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah.
Speaker 6:You had. That night, I felt like, I actually felt stronger, and I feel leaner as well.
Speaker 1:Amazing.
Speaker 6:My weight's not moving as much since doing it, but that's obviously to do with, like, water weight and stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Muscle. And also your because you haven't because you haven't done the structured training before. You are right now in a fine place. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Muscle fast for the first year, so you enjoy the gains, basically.
Speaker 6:Yeah, yeah amazing.
Speaker 1:That's amazing, it's good to say, yeah keeping the score maxed out, don't have to but yeah I mean if you could do that for a year you would be, not even a year like three six months completely transform you. But that's all good news. But Dean, what do you
Speaker 3:think of that then?
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, it's awesome. Hi, Cap. I'm intrigued. When you started in March, right? And then you said you quit smoking, which is, you know, a lot of people struggle to do.
Speaker 2:Right? So that's
Speaker 6:I've struggled a long time to do it. That's the first time I've actually managed to do it.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So what what do you think looking back has led to you to quit?
Speaker 6:So my mom has COPD. So the plan was that we're gonna stop together, but the the plan has always been that we're gonna stop together. It's never actually worked because the idea was that if I stopped, it would encourage her. But I think it's a podcast. Like, I stress out a lot less about stuff now than I used to.
Speaker 6:And I'm sure I'm convinced it's the podcast. I tell everyone listen to podcasts. So I went back and listened to the majority of them. I just listened to them back to back when I had time.
Speaker 2:What was it apart from Scott's ego nearly gonna blow up in the flight, which is, by the way, really cool. What is it though that you feel like that is cause you can listen to any podcast, right? And you can listen to like Scott's podcast. So like you've listened obviously, but like what is it that you've listened to that you feel like has like led to the change? Cause I don't feel like you're doing yourself justice here.
Speaker 2:Cause you're the one that's done it. So what is it if we dig a little bit, what's shifted it for you?
Speaker 6:I think one thing that stuck with me for it was I can't remember which I don't I don't remember what podcasts are from when because there's so many of them that I've listened to. But there's definitely a podcast about dieters that were they came into the room, and it was either I can't eat it or I won't eat it or something like that. And I'm very much I'm not a smoker. It's not that I'm stopping. I'm not a smoker.
Speaker 6:Does that make sense?
Speaker 2:Yeah. I think I understand what you're saying. I'll let Scott because you you're you're basically talking about, like, you're not you're not basically labeling yourself as like I am as in your identity. You're like, I'm someone who smokes rather than I am a smoker. Is that right?
Speaker 1:Yeah. It's kind of like, so instead of saying like I can't, it means that you kind of want to, or you are a smoker, you can't right now. But then if you say that you're not a smoker, there is not even a decision to make, it's like I don't smoke. So you're not having that internal battle all the time between like, I want to, but I can't. You know?
Speaker 1:You're gonna lose out a lot of
Speaker 2:the Yeah. That's great. So for you, Kat, that just landed and you're like, I'm not a smoker.
Speaker 6:But but in general, I find I get less stressed out, and I I think it's just an accumulation of the podcast over time. Like, talking about, like, not reacting to stuff and things like that. And sometimes, like, I can get a little defensive of parrot pal at times Because I really like it, and then you get sometimes people will come on and be like, and you're like, well, no. Hang on a minute. Whereas now, I kind of don't reply for a little bit.
Speaker 2:Congratulations, Kat. You're part of the cult. This is this is cult like behavior.
Speaker 1:Top is moderate now. Kat, you're be moderate there. It's hard. It's hard in the group. Know?
Speaker 1:It is hard sometimes. You you wanna reply fast, and then you gotta do the stoicism type of thing. Yeah. It's all good. I mean, there there was a time when we did when we're doing these communities first, we we did we had someone in COVID.
Speaker 1:I don't know if Catherine you were there at this point, but it was one of the first times we had, and it was COVID times so everyone was online, know, and it was so reactive in that group and people were commenting, people were saying people were bullying them and like I was typing fast and then people would be saying oh you're too direct, you're being nasty. I'm like, oh my god. So yeah, that was a hard lesson in remember those days?
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, they're fun days.
Speaker 1:Yeah. That's amazing, Kat. Honestly, what a turnaround, what are you doing? It's all you, by the way, like yeah, the podcast can help. I think the calming down is important.
Speaker 1:Like I mentioned, book is good one to read The Failure of Nerve. He mentions this, he says, if you took smoking away, he and said it's in the 90s, if you take smoking away it'll be replaced by someone else because it's basically underlying anxiety at the population level. Everyone's anxious, smoking helps. Everyone's anxious for vaping, you know, it's an anxious thing. And he believed that.
Speaker 1:I think there's a truth to it probably. So it's got something to do with that. But, yeah, no, amazing. And you should be very proud of what you've done. And thanks for defending the group.
Speaker 1:We'll be watching out. Give you a shield. I need to get you one of those power powers shield. Dean, you haven't seen this. You haven't seen this artwork, Dean.
Speaker 2:I've not seen a bit. We need to talk about the ugly windshield, sir.
Speaker 1:The higher your lean shield, the more the better the shield your pirate's holding. So Carter's got like a diamond gold shield and it's protecting it from all sorts of laser beams. You probably have a cardboard shield.
Speaker 6:Every morning. Because I put my headphone in to go
Speaker 1:Oh, I know. I know.
Speaker 6:Do my estimate in the morning. I do my actual at night, and I put my heads headphones in so I don't wake up my hubby. And I forget every morning that it makes that noise, and I have
Speaker 1:It's so annoying. It's like it's it's it's like Paris in war zone. Honestly. Yeah. Think he is.
Speaker 1:I think he's in the war zone being they're after his muscle like. I need to change it though. So I'm gonna I need to remove it like the noise. It's got to go. I'm sorry but I think maybe the shield's got to go on point.
Speaker 1:But no amazing, what would you say to someone listening to then Kat? Someone might be listening to new parrot new to lean, she's new to anything. You said that podcasts help, we know that people do it, but you mentioned there that I'm not a smoker. Like, it's not I can't. I I'm I'm not.
Speaker 1:Anything. What would you say?
Speaker 6:Oh, I don't know. Cons think as we said, consistency, I think. And little, little by little, like,
Speaker 1:you don't go
Speaker 6:on the podcast one day at a time for no reason. Yeah. Because that's literally all I've done is little tiny bits, one like here and there and it all just adds up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, not 100%. But what would you say to someone that's like, do you know what Kat, listen, every weekend I'm with my friends socializing, I have a few drinks, and then I have McDonald's like.
Speaker 6:I've not been hungry since March. Like, literally, I have not been hungry. And I, like, I don't go over the score, but I I eat what I want. Like, my calorie graph is all over the place, but my averages average out. So, like, you can that's what I really like as well is the flexibility, because you can you can plan for when you've got stuff on.
Speaker 6:Yeah. Like, I I had a massive 14 inch pizza at weekend, and it was really good, and it'll still time averages.
Speaker 1:Exactly. Well out of curiosity, what's your way of logging? What's your preferred logging method?
Speaker 6:So for LaneShield or for Parrot?
Speaker 1:Parrot.
Speaker 6:Voice. 99 of the time. But I know, like so I've got my quick stuff that I've got to say, and then I eat the same stuff all the time. Like, so maybe six days of the week, my day will pretty much be the same. Yeah.
Speaker 6:So I've actually got it all saved that I can just do, like, the day in. So whenever changes, maybe one or Saturday or maybe Sunday, like, maybe two days. Perfect.
Speaker 5:So the
Speaker 6:majority of the time, I just copy it over. If if I'm doing a voice note, it'll literally be whatever the food is, calories, and protein because it literally takes five seconds. LeanShield, I've not decided what.
Speaker 1:Well, tomorrow you should be it should sync from LeanShield from PowerPal directly to LeanShield your calories and protein and weight.
Speaker 6:Oh, that only takes two seconds. I mean, for the workouts.
Speaker 1:The workouts. Yeah.
Speaker 6:I I keep chopping and changing. I haven't decided what way I prefer yet.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Same. There's too many ways to log, think. Yeah. There's way too many ways to log workouts.
Speaker 1:This is really becoming a, again, monster after after they were.
Speaker 6:It's good, though.
Speaker 1:Yeah. It's good. It's good. But yeah. It's interesting on the voice it's interesting on the voice stuff and that what you're saying, like, you are voice logging is coming to it.
Speaker 1:I know Kat. I knew Kat to be like, give me the voice log on a turtle. It it will be there. It will be there. Testing it out now, should be before Christmas.
Speaker 1:But when you said that you got the same meals, Someone mentioned in a group the other day saying, I've generated a custom meal plan, but I want more meals, right? It's like everyone thinks they need more meals and more recipes. How many recipes do people need? Hundreds, maybe thousands of recipes have gone through people's hands. Doesn't mean it doesn't help.
Speaker 1:Just eat what you like to start with. What you like and then see where you land and then just change a few things because you're only going to eat what you like. You're not going to eat my recipe I tell you to, you'll go bloody hell that was nice but yeah I can't be asked to make that all the time to be honest.
Speaker 6:I'm a really fussy eater as well so yeah, like to eat all the time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you can't rely on a meal plan given by someone else, you have to work it out yourself. You have to eat the food you like. Dean, what's your nutrition like these days? Is it given to you? Are you on the cal or meal plans?
Speaker 1:Are you sending meal preps?
Speaker 2:Don't do that. No, at the moment I've been higher protein, lower carb at the moment. But I've been training more, so it's like the habit stacking, isn't it? So I'm training quite a lot and therefore eating better. Yeah, like protein shakes in the morning, eggs, avocado, then have lots of veg and chicken.
Speaker 2:So yeah, that's what I'm trying at the moment.
Speaker 1:Well, it's interesting. We look at all the data, the food logs of people who are around 95% of people log without a brand name. And if you go on TikTok, have to know the brand name of everything. It's like most people aren't just saying the foods they eat, right? So most people also test codes, just say, you know, so there's another thing about like logging food as well.
Speaker 1:It's interesting to me, that's interesting. I thought more people would have wanted to log with the brand because they assume it's more accurate, but it doesn't really matter that much overall. I think people really are bought into brands a lot. I remember my mate was working in Aldi, area manager, he was like, mate, our beans are made in the same factory as Heinz Beans and stuff. And our tools are back in Deckard tools.
Speaker 1:A lot of brands are coming from the same source, a lot of them.
Speaker 2:When we went to Paris and we went to watch rugby, I I think one of the other delegates there, they worked in yogurts. And yeah, I tended to buy sort of like premium yogurts. And they were like, No, no, no. Like Anster Zone or like yeah, Sainsbury's, their cheapest form is exactly the same as I was like, what?
Speaker 1:Yeah. It's the same with I think it's the same with makeup brands. A lot of the brands get a lot of this stuff made from these like factories are the same. There's not many like unique things. With the yogurt stuff like sometimes you scan a Tesco watermelon fruit and it'll come up as Azadan, people go, bloody hell, it's Azadan watermelon.
Speaker 1:I'm like, it's the same. It's like the same company that's packaging them up for Azadan, Tesco. Someone mentioned in the group as well, they work for us a company that does this, so they can get the barcode mixed. But people panic over that. I'm like, your body doesn't know you've had an Azerbai bloody watermelon.
Speaker 1:It doesn't. It knows you've had watermelon. You know I mean? It's not a fuck he's got Azerbai watermelon today. Shit.
Speaker 2:How much do you think, Scott? I don't even know whether, like, this question's gonna make any sense. How much do you think what what's is it like, what's the difference between somebody who, like, tracks really accurately versus somebody who just tracks? I guess what I'm trying to get at is what's the difference between somebody who facts relentlessly on the same MyFitnessPal and calculates every gram versus your philosophy, which is it's less about accuracy. It's more about just tracking kind of what you're eating.
Speaker 2:Doctor.
Speaker 1:Well, I would argue that people that are not the perfect trackers are actually more accurate because they don't drop off as much. Know, the people that think they track When I see people on TikTok, like you have to track every gram. I'm like, if I came to your house and watched you eat for three weeks, I guarantee you, you are not tracking everything to the gram. I know they're not. We're all human beings.
Speaker 1:There's a very small percentage of people who track every single gram of every food. Might be bodybuilders, but even bodybuilders, I know they lock themselves in a room and they will binge eat McDonald's and KFC and they will have a terrible relationship with food, so they know exactly people to follow in terms of why we should live. But I think the people that do claim to track perfectly, or you have to track perfectly, are just perfectionists in a sense, it's a way for them to excuse themselves from not even bothering, carrying on. They'll do it three, four, five days perfect drop off and they'll go, well if I'm not perfect, there's no point doing it. And I think what are you on about?
Speaker 1:Like why do you have to be perfect to do anything? I mean it's weird mindset to have like if you were to play, know do jujitsu, you don't have to be perfect to get better at jujitsu. If my coach said to me you can only do jujitsu if you're perfect at jujitsu, it would be ridiculous.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And you're less likely to keep it up if you're like holding yourself to unrealistic high standards.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I would love to know that there's a reason why in the studies, the studies on tracking that the group that tracks with abbreviated tracking, is just noting down, you know, had a banana or I had a cup of oats or whatever, versus people who tracked every gram. There's a reason why both groups have the same results or similar results because the group that doesn't care so much about tracking every gram, they're consistent and then the group that on the research that did track everything, they didn't actually track everything today because because they got similar results. They probably tracked sixty-seventy percent, but maybe tracking sixty-seventy percent perfectly is the same as tracking ninety-ninety 5% non perfectly. But I would rather be in the kind of chill, I'll track as much as best as I can group than I'm gonna drop off every time I can't be perfect.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And like Kat, again. Just had a pizza at break. I really enjoyed it. Didn't even register as something that's been negative.
Speaker 1:Mhmm. Exactly.
Speaker 6:Yeah. That's a different I look at stuff differently now. So that's the podcast as well. So it's not good or bad food. What I do now is I decide if the calories are worth it, Basically.
Speaker 6:Exactly. Like to me, is it worth it or would I rather save it for something else?
Speaker 1:Exactly. There doesn't even be need to be a moral judgment on the food. Joe Like, Wicks came out with that killer protein bar, some nonsense. You seen this guy? Like imagine the marketing team coming up with that nonsense.
Speaker 1:This protein bar is gonna kill it. Like imagine they all think they're legends like, oh my God, this bar is gonna kill this past hour. Oh my god. And he's just sitting there thinking, yeah, this is legit. Like, that's what I can't get over, by the way, is that these people have been in the industry so long.
Speaker 1:They fall for this nonsense. But I suppose fear.
Speaker 2:So they're fighting they're all fighting for their own sort of philosophy, aren't they? It's the race to the bottom, isn't it?
Speaker 1:They fight. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I think when me and Jackie met Nick yesterday, who I mentioned on the podcast, Nick Wareham, he's one of the leading experts in obesity, diabetes and stuff. Know, his reputation is huge to him.
Speaker 1:Like if he says something wrong, know, for him what's more important, does something that's going to help people, right? There's another scientist, not going to name him, in a similar level, and got behind this company about gut testing. And this company got out of control on this and went so far down the gut rabbit hole, got taken over by marketing people utilizing his name, his reputation destroyed, and they've been telling people to over obsess with their gut. And now most people that leave that program feel worse about themselves, right?
Speaker 2:Is this the?
Speaker 1:Yeah. Glucose Monitor.
Speaker 2:What's the company called?
Speaker 1:Zoe. Yeah. Yeah. So they're losing a lot of money a month. They've been taken over by this American VC firm.
Speaker 1:They just it's all about but what's happening is when they look the guy that runs that now owned an ad company that was all about data, AB testing. So they've just been testing, like, what works to get people to buy, which is fear mongering, blah blah blah blah blah. And they've got a lot of users, and then they had they realized the users are just completely, what's the word, like stressed, anxious, the test doesn't work if you're non diabetic and everything like that. Then they've ended up with just a pool of people who are just way worse, but they optimized for more sales at the time and there's no integrity left in that guy now. Just kind of sold out.
Speaker 1:So yeah, like anything in the health and fitness will end up being if it gets taken over, gets pushed for sales and not to help you. That's the main thing. And you have to have something that's very triggering for people. Does that make sense? Like if we were a cat, if me and you went on an ad and we say, hey, guys, you can eat whatever would you want, come with a new targets, eat a bit more protein, get targets.
Speaker 1:Don't stress about things so much, live one day at a time people will go, oh, what the fuck, shut up, like whatever, lindrazed doesn't push me much. But that's what works. But if I said to you, hey, you've probably got one bacteria in your gut to stop and you're losing all your weight, and that's no one's told you the doctors are keeping it away from you. The doctors didn't want you to know their secret because they want you all obese, that they want you obese so they can make money off you. I could go down a path and people would be like, Oh my God, he's so right.
Speaker 1:Like my friend, Dean, you've met him, Keyron, yeah? He is a flat out, flat earther, like 100% flat earther because TikTok. 100%. His girlfriend is an aerospace engineer. She works for flipping Rolls Royce.
Speaker 1:Like, he doesn't listen to her. I'm like, mate, how can you know? She's studied physics. Her work has to work for her job to work. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1:Her worldview is science. Anyway, but he says, no, I'm right. You've been fooled. He's like the Rothschilds have fooled you. And I'm like, okay, and I saw him from TikTok, but it's the same with health and fitness.
Speaker 1:If you say that you've been deceived by government, big food, blah, blah, blah, I feel like you create a pool of people who are very and it comes from being, I suppose COVID didn't help with all of the messaging and like how everyone about things. People don't trust experts anymore, do they? They don't trust like doctors anymore. They would rather trust a TikToker now. I don't know.
Speaker 2:What's your take on GLPs?
Speaker 1:Oh, they're amazing drugs. I think they changed like when I do presentation about LeanShield and stuff, I say to these people, had a chat yesterday with Cambridge, what do they call Cambridge Health or whatever, it's like weight loss is solved basically. Eli Lilly are bringing out a pill next year, a daily pill to take. And whether you're going to take the pill or not or take the drug or not reduces your general cravings or not. Like probably the chances are most people who will lose weight will, and if the government has the access to it will be given that tool.
Speaker 1:But it doesn't fix everything because it causes people to eat nothing, no protein. And then we got a second problem, which is muscle loss, which is worse. So I looked at the numbers. Basically GLP-1s will cost about 2,000 a year per user. But the cost of frailty, the cost of you losing muscle as you age, and the cost of you having more injuries is going to cost 2,700 per year.
Speaker 1:That's just the cost of being frail and the extra knock on effect. It's going to cost about The first cost is 2,000 a month for the drug, then it's going to cost 2,700 sorry, if they don't stop you losing muscle. So there's two costs there, 4 to 5 ks per year per person, and then the cost of fixing them afterwards, so three costs.
Speaker 2:Are you advocating for people who are obese to go on them?
Speaker 1:Well, it's up to them as well. Suppose If tracking, say, I would say like when we speak to some of the doctors that we say, first port of call should be something like Parapal, just voice log what you're eating and see if you can lose weight just talking and understanding yourself more. But I don't know, I think some people who are obese, their signals for satiety are broken. And I think it's very, very hard for them to eat less calories over time. The problem is you probably have to stay on them probably majority of your life or for a long time.
Speaker 1:And the main factor behind if it's successful or not is whether you've maintained muscle whilst you've lost the weight. If you lose muscle- And
Speaker 2:also surely like anything, about behaviour change. It surely is about the adaptations that you make in your life alongside that. Eating healthy. Because surely it's not about taking the injections, then stuffing yourself McDonald's and not working out. It's all about the holistic aspect of this.
Speaker 1:Exactly. But the thing is they reduce your appetite so much that you don't want to eat not much at all. Christine's mentioned that I wait on the wait list, I've been on this for twelve months now, to have them next There's a shortage right now. But Christine, say, No, you started it now, and you don't realize the importance of muscle protection, you don't look at your LeanShield score, you're just creating more problems for yourself down the line because then you might not have the injection in twelve months, it might run out. And then you've lost your muscle, then your hunger comes back like a raging bull.
Speaker 1:You put all the fat back on and you put more on because you've lost muscle, your body will keep pushing your hunger levels till your muscle is restored, which is never quicker than your fat. That's what happens.
Speaker 2:It's similar. I know it's totally different, but it's like the gastric bands, right? Shrinks your stomach, people lose weight, then and go back into the real world as it were, and then the weight goes back on again.
Speaker 1:That's why we're trying to do a lean shield. We ideally would love doctors to You can get a baseline lean shield score by saying, No, Kat came into the GP and I'm the doctor, I'd like, right, Kat, tell me about what you normally have on a Monday. Like, tell me a good Monday. Tell me normally on a weekend. And they go, all right, this is normally on a weekend.
Speaker 1:They'll be lying, by the way, they will say they eat better than they do. And then you have to say, right, tell me like the worst day you have when you eat in a sense of like the highest calorie day, give me everything you would eat in one day if it was like one of those lovely days at home and it's raining. That's their normal weekend, basically. You know what I mean? That's the truth.
Speaker 1:And then you can basically get an estimate on calorie intake, protein intake, then you ask them about, are you doing any exercise? And you can get a roughly lean shield score for people. And then in The US, some of the private clinics are not re prescribing GLP-1s unless the patients are doing resistance training and higher protein. So this is actually happening in The US because it's too risky to keep going. Probably should happen over here as well.
Speaker 1:So I'm hoping if we can help upscale, like if your lean sheath score drops under 60, then if it stays underneath there, you'd have to come off. There's too much of a risk. You're gonna end up making more problems.
Speaker 2:And also, I'm sure that they they probably don't have a handle and grasp on, what are they? Because it's barely new. Right? Like, is there credible evidence in terms of what the real long term risks are?
Speaker 1:Well, think they're not I think the way they work, I don't think there's any like people think they just melt fat and stuff. Don't, they just reduce your appetite. It's a really simple drug in our sense. And like, it's not like, know, some of the dangerous fat loss drugs in the past were basically ones that would increase your metabolic rate and stuff. They would be like stimulant based.
Speaker 1:So they would be very risky on your heart and stuff, and people would die because they take too much of them. These don't work at all like that. So they're they're far safer. And they were they were discovered because of this fucking lizard. Who wants a lizard?
Speaker 1:Oh Christine, you're in.
Speaker 5:I am. I am. I'm
Speaker 1:you. Bloody hell.
Speaker 5:I know. It took a while.
Speaker 1:Another another Celtic legend. Yeah. What's going on?
Speaker 5:Yeah. I the the well, the question I really wanted to ask was, it's like I'm really struggling with the hitting the targets. Unlike cat, I'm not hungry at all.
Speaker 1:Yeah. What's your protein like?
Speaker 5:It's it's like ninety, ninety five.
Speaker 1:Nice. Nice. And you are you saying you can't eat all the calories?
Speaker 5:No. I've tried. I just like today now. Do you know what? Like I've been on the Parrot Pal for I think it's three weeks now and I've lost 10 pound which is really good.
Speaker 5:And like today now was the first day that I actually was wanting to go out with my partner shopping. Where does?
Speaker 1:Well if it
Speaker 5:and I haven't been out at all this year. Well, not not even this year, think, for the last three years. You know? Because I just haven't had the the oomph or the the the get and go to go.
Speaker 1:And now you're doing it. Well, didn't you?
Speaker 5:Was the first day that made me feel like I could.
Speaker 1:Happy days.
Speaker 5:Well, he was happy because
Speaker 1:Yeah. Talking
Speaker 5:with him. And I made him spend all his money.
Speaker 1:Passed away. Yeah. Passed away.
Speaker 5:But, yeah, no.
Speaker 1:That's that's amazing. I think when it comes to your calorie target and maybe it seems high and sometimes it's hard to eat it, like when you eat more protein it does make it harder to hit your target because it fills you up more, so that's quite normal. But I would say that just like Kat is saying, she uses the averages to her favor. Sometimes we can think we're eating Monday to Thursday, like we are 1,005. And then when I actually, there's so many weekend days I've tracked and I've eaten over 5,000 calories.
Speaker 1:And I can't tell you it feels like nothing. I'm not even like, I'll have a breakfast, I'll have some like, I know, caramel millionaire shortbread thing. And then I love like a burrito or something and I have a few drinks and then there's something else and I'm like 5,000 calories. So the fact you've lost 10 pounds and you can't hit your target, you're in a deficit for sure. Your protein's high, which is brilliant.
Speaker 1:I don't know if you've started doing some basic resistance stuff yet or no?
Speaker 5:Gosh. You you you'll you'll you'll piss yourself now. My my partner, right, I said to him last week, I said, oh, I said, if you still got that gym bench, I've I I add for free somewhere down I don't know. Bloody somewhere. This guy was checking all his all his equipment out, and I thought, I'm gonna go down, and I'm gonna get it.
Speaker 5:So I picked up this bench and I said to my bench, oh I don't know what he said. So it goes out now and I buys a new one. I had it off Amazon. And he said to me then, he said, well I've got it he said. I said, well I bought another one, But we don't actually, we've been together for like thirty years and he lives in his house and I live in mine.
Speaker 5:So I said, well, there we are. I said, you keep your bench over there. I said, and I'll keep my bench over here. So I got the I got, you know, I'm happy for the two places.
Speaker 1:So you're feeling everywhere.
Speaker 5:So, yes. I bought a bench, a German Have
Speaker 1:you used the bench yet?
Speaker 5:Oh, I I used it tonight. Dan, I put it together for mines. Can you believe that?
Speaker 1:That is good. And I think so you were were mentioning the groups in the bench for your back, right?
Speaker 5:Yes.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Good. Good.
Speaker 1:Shout. Good. Good. Shout. Because, yeah, you know, you're gonna support a lot.
Speaker 1:Bloody hell. So you're doing so you've done a few workouts then?
Speaker 5:Yes. I I but the only problem I'm having with the workout is like the limitations. Right. Because I'll I'll put it like today now. Oh well every day I say like can you give me a workout for a full body workout with a bench?
Speaker 5:Cos obviously I've had my bench today haven't I? So I thought right I'll go in and I'll ask for a bench workout. So it did. But then it it gave me workouts then that I can't do. You know like because of my glutes.
Speaker 5:Like I can't do squats and I can't do lunges. Cos I've had knee knee knee surgery. So and then it tells me then oh alright I'll take them out. And then it it'll give me something else that I then I can't do again, which was,
Speaker 1:you know Have you have you added these limitations to your settings in your settings? Yeah?
Speaker 5:Yeah. Back before.
Speaker 1:And then have you told have you edited your equipment to be bench and then body weight or something like that?
Speaker 5:Yeah. Yeah. I I put all my equipment in.
Speaker 1:In settings. In the settings.
Speaker 5:Yeah. Yeah. Because it it I've got TRX as well. I've got a TRX strap that goes to the door. And I've also got a set climber.
Speaker 5:But I'm not even gonna even touch my set climber. And well I did have a rowing machine but I'd know where that's gone. I'm not even gonna go for that.
Speaker 1:You give me an idea now, need to add in, so you've got limitations in a sense like you know like bad knee or whatever but maybe we can add a box of more context like I can't do this type of movement x y z. So then it will know because if you're saying you can do a bench and it's a mistake maybe you can do a squat to the bench and then you say well I can't squat at all and it's like well what do we use a bench for? Sit down and you know legs might be limited but I'll sort that out. You just need to do what you can like what exercises if you can put in what exercises you can't do I suppose that's probably something that's gonna be useful.
Speaker 5:Yeah. Do you know
Speaker 1:When we say about squatting, what is it?
Speaker 5:With the squat and I can't it's like because my knees are so painful. I can't if I get down, I can't get back up again. Yeah. I'd probably sit on the floor. And I'd love to go swimming but because of the weight that I am I can't.
Speaker 5:Because it's in my mind. Cos I know so many people were at the gym that I go to like quite a you know years ago for them to see me now as I am now to what I was then. I'm hoping that like with the weight loss that you know that I can perhaps go there again. Cos I used to train with an Ironman. And they train.
Speaker 5:They'll train in the place where you know, I go to swim. And I'm like, no. Knock them there.
Speaker 1:No. No. We started out. We started out. We'll you'll get them and you get there.
Speaker 1:I get what you mean though. But we we can do it. But before we carry on Dean Dean needs a dash, but we'll cry on for five more minutes everyone just so know so we can cover this topic because important. But Dean, thank you so much for turning up and chatting to us all. Legend.
Speaker 2:No. Thank you. It's a pleasure. Pleasure as always. And yeah.
Speaker 2:Thank you.
Speaker 1:Back after Christmas now. We do a January kind of goal setting thing in Jan. Let's do it. So everyone can get on and we can get some goals in in touch for that.
Speaker 2:Let's do it. I'm keen. I'm keen. Perfect. Awesome.
Speaker 2:Alright. Have fun. Bye bye.
Speaker 1:Thanks, Ron. So for everyone else, I think this is important. Christine? Limitations, squat. So can you squat to something high?
Speaker 1:So like if it was a bench with two pillows on it, would that be painful or not? Like just like bending a bit down.
Speaker 5:I can't even bend a tone, Scott.
Speaker 1:Bend the toes, you need to sit down for every movement has to be seated. Yeah?
Speaker 5:Yeah, it's like yeah, most of my most of my workouts are all sit down on a bench or on a chair. Well, because of my back, I thought, right, I'll get the bench with the back rest as well so that I'm set and I've I've got that support in the back. Yeah. I did try today. I don't know.
Speaker 5:I I tried to do like leg raises with a weight. Oh my god. It killed me. It and I only did a little bit. It was only like a three three pound weight and lifted my leg and I tried to do three sets of 30 and oh my my legs were like screaming.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's a good quad workout for you. But you're doing what you can and you might not be in a position where you can do every single body part as effectively from the equipment you have, right? Because it's not possible or painful. But as the weight comes off, and you're doing these strengthening of major muscle groups, you're going to find that you'll slow back, be able to improve some of these things. But I need to make sure that maybe you can like voice note into coach and say everything about your limitations in a very natural way so he gets it, then we can make sure your workouts are tailored to you, you know?
Speaker 5:Yeah, it's given me a three day workout now for a week. So but then I got confused then because it just give me 17 work work work things to do. But then I went when I went back into it again then the second time it it's split it into three. So I was like, oh, that's that's what I need.
Speaker 1:Yeah. But you can say give give me you can say give me ten, fifteen minute workouts that I can do without too much stress. But what about your steps count? What is that about?
Speaker 5:Doing like today obviously because I went shopping. It's it do you know all my life it like the last like four. Oh before I came out padded pal. I I was barely going out to the house. Yeah.
Speaker 5:I I do so. I knit. I cross shore. And and that's the only like places that I go to. It's like a sewing class.
Speaker 5:Yeah. No but they were like
Speaker 1:so steps are like two three thousand a day.
Speaker 5:Yeah. And that's just around the house.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So on average, where do you think you are now, Sim, roughly?
Speaker 5:No. I'm I'm up a bit now. I think I'm I'm trying to get 5,000 then.
Speaker 1:Perfect. I think that'll help you a lot. It will help you lot with your movements, with your back, with everything, walking, being standing up, even if you just stand up for more time, you have to walk all the time. So I think for you is to make sure you're going to be in a protected state in a sense, your muscle is not going to be as at risk as someone very, very lean, there's got nothing protecting it, so your protein is in a good place, you're doing some resistance, which is amazing, right? Whatever you can do, do it.
Speaker 1:So anything you feel like you're doing, you should be very proud of that because it's going to help you so much. Same with cat, you're in a phase where your body really does respond to any stimulus on the muscle. It might hurt now in terms of things, but you will get stronger much quicker. And then the steps on top, you're gonna see, like you said, you've got 10 pounds down in a few weeks. Don't be too hard on yourself over Christmas, but in January, can see a huge month if you do that.
Speaker 1:And I think like you've got everything in place to do it. Yeah, you don't have to do too much from what you're doing now. Don't feel like you've gotta go and push yourself too much.
Speaker 5:I I went out last night. We went to the ICCs. I skated with my my daughter and my daughter in laws and my and my granddaughter. And afterwards, well I was just basically holding on going all the way around. I couldn't I couldn't get off the bar.
Speaker 5:And then when I come off I was so hot it was like oh my God. I just feel as if I've done a workout. And then they all went to McDonald's. And you know I didn't have a McDonald's. I was so proud of myself.
Speaker 5:I had a cup of coffee.
Speaker 1:Nice. I I was just one step. Thousands.
Speaker 5:Yeah. Oh well done. I am in the right I am in the right mindset now. So I said to my partner, I said, you'd so proud to me. He said, when you do something, Christine, he said, you do it right and you're in that mindset now to do it.
Speaker 1:Yeah. 100%. And listen, if you feel like and again, it's going to happen over Christmas and all of us will do it where we feel a bit like we're far away from maybe this motivational high we have, like, reach out in the community, don't drop off and be like, I'll bugger, like a lot of people will do. We just need to get, know, annoying thing is we got Christmas coming, it will knock momentum, what we'll rhythm like, but we just need to turn up again. Let's just keep turning up every day.
Speaker 1:We've got another ten days plus until things start really going down the pan, as we say.
Speaker 5:People can't be. Can I just say, Scott, Kat is absolutely brilliant on the support group? I I did try and write it down but I don't know. We went somewhere. Yeah.
Speaker 5:But she's so inspirational. It's lovely to see see your face to to her.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She's amazing. And her voice.
Speaker 1:Scottish.
Speaker 5:Yes. Yes. I didn't know she was Scottish, but you. There we are. I've talked enough now.
Speaker 5:I can talk
Speaker 1:with her. No, no, amazing. No, I'm glad you found me to come and talk and share your story and stuff Christine. Gentlemen, for sharing. Appreciate it a lot.
Speaker 1:And hopefully next week we can all come on and have a chat again. Think Doctor. Aman might be in the next week. Ask any questions, you know, medical or anything more specific he'll be able to answer, but we'll have another catch up before we break up for Christmas. And then hopefully we keep going basically.
Speaker 1:Happy days. So thank you. Thanks, everyone. Thanks, Christine. Thanks, Kath.
Speaker 1:Thanks, Catherine. Everyone in the group, thanks. We've gone over a bit today, but we've got to chat you out. This book part of WhatsApp is WhatsApp. You'll be in Edcalf.
Speaker 1:No problem. Guys, see you all.
